That’s- huh. IS that? I shall be interested to seeee. Either way, that sounds remarkably wordly (and amusing) of her to have the same opinion on gauges.
And definitely glad to get the confirmation that this is in-universe.
Yep. And this page was written months ago. But one of the best ways to get sympathy for a character is have another character point out the things the audience will mostly not like. Usually when the audience sees another character being so critical, in spite of their own opinions, they tend to think, “Aw, give the guy a chance.”
Heh. I know what you mean. I myself am simple enouguh though that you had me at human-vigilante-who-just-leaps-off-of-rooftops-onto-criminals-and-might-be-a-bit-batty (looking at panel one). No sympathy necessary.
I don’t care any more that you don’t care any more. I’ve voted. I’ll see if I can get a few more votes off later. 🙂
In-universe? In *which* universe? Can this story be taken as canonical for their respective characters? I don’t know much about the others, but when we last left Goat she was sans memory and wearing a cowboy outfit. Oh, and she was totally and utterly shattering any pretense of a fourth wall. And the last time she was on Earth, or at least *an* Earth, she was very much out of her element and unlikely to think up things like the Comicon reference. This would have to be some time in the future.
It seems to me that Goat is even more cartoony here than in her own series. At least compared to how she was drawn in the more recent comics, when your style had evolved. A few pages ago I was struck by the fact that Timmons looked way more realistic than any other character. I think Scott McCloud had some points on why villains tend to be drawn more realistically than good guys, especially in Japanese manga.
All three of these guys are from out-universe. Punk is a local.
You are correct, this is Goat from the future (of course things like past and future are all relative when you have people popping in and out of other dimensions of time and space). She hasn’t quite broken the 4th wall yet…she’s just being REALLY sarcastic. And this is Goat at full puck power. And if anyone can and will break 4th walls it’s the puck. Even in A Midsummer Night’s Dream Puck was the only character aware that there was an audience watching.
As for the style of drawing, I rarely think about it. I just draw what feels right for the scene. The only time I focus on style is when someone is paying me to draw a series (like at Tokyopop and WARP Graphics). McCloud does have a point about villains…the more detailed a character is drawn the harder it is for the reader to use them as an avatar. May I say I always love to hear from people who are not cartoonists who have read Understanding Comics. You are truly a patron of the comic book arts and for that I thank you.
You’re welcome. I see that my gratuitous name-dropping brought results. 🙂 But seriously, I don’t see any reason for you to thank me at all. You and Billy are creating these stories, something I could never do. I just enjoy what you give, and for that, *I* thank *you*.
I got something of an a-ha moment from Understanding Comics when I realized that it was essentially a grammar for comics. We rarely think about grammar when we talk, so it makes sense that you wouldn’t consciously think about it when you draw either.
Yeah, I think “Understanding Comics” may be more of a way to enhance appreciation for the art instead of being a straight How To book. Eisner’s “Comics and Sequential Art” is a better How To.
Although UC did change my own philosophies about comics
Oh, one more thing. Puck may historically be the one character who was aware of the audience. This Puck, however, is apparently aware of the author. That’s new, isn’t it? 🙂
I’d like to say “yes” but modesty forbids. Cartoonists have a long history of characters being aware of their creators. Going all the way back to Krazy Kat. I remember seeing a strip where Officer Pup is looking up at the artist George Harriman because the strip had not been finished. Officer Pup says, “Well, go on, finish it!” Then says something about “lazy cartoonists.”
That’s- huh. IS that? I shall be interested to seeee. Either way, that sounds remarkably wordly (and amusing) of her to have the same opinion on gauges.
And definitely glad to get the confirmation that this is in-universe.
Yep. And this page was written months ago. But one of the best ways to get sympathy for a character is have another character point out the things the audience will mostly not like. Usually when the audience sees another character being so critical, in spite of their own opinions, they tend to think, “Aw, give the guy a chance.”
Heh. I know what you mean. I myself am simple enouguh though that you had me at human-vigilante-who-just-leaps-off-of-rooftops-onto-criminals-and-might-be-a-bit-batty (looking at panel one). No sympathy necessary.
Me too
I don’t care any more that you don’t care any more. I’ve voted. I’ll see if I can get a few more votes off later. 🙂
In-universe? In *which* universe? Can this story be taken as canonical for their respective characters? I don’t know much about the others, but when we last left Goat she was sans memory and wearing a cowboy outfit. Oh, and she was totally and utterly shattering any pretense of a fourth wall. And the last time she was on Earth, or at least *an* Earth, she was very much out of her element and unlikely to think up things like the Comicon reference. This would have to be some time in the future.
It seems to me that Goat is even more cartoony here than in her own series. At least compared to how she was drawn in the more recent comics, when your style had evolved. A few pages ago I was struck by the fact that Timmons looked way more realistic than any other character. I think Scott McCloud had some points on why villains tend to be drawn more realistically than good guys, especially in Japanese manga.
All three of these guys are from out-universe. Punk is a local.
You are correct, this is Goat from the future (of course things like past and future are all relative when you have people popping in and out of other dimensions of time and space). She hasn’t quite broken the 4th wall yet…she’s just being REALLY sarcastic. And this is Goat at full puck power. And if anyone can and will break 4th walls it’s the puck. Even in A Midsummer Night’s Dream Puck was the only character aware that there was an audience watching.
As for the style of drawing, I rarely think about it. I just draw what feels right for the scene. The only time I focus on style is when someone is paying me to draw a series (like at Tokyopop and WARP Graphics). McCloud does have a point about villains…the more detailed a character is drawn the harder it is for the reader to use them as an avatar. May I say I always love to hear from people who are not cartoonists who have read Understanding Comics. You are truly a patron of the comic book arts and for that I thank you.
You’re welcome. I see that my gratuitous name-dropping brought results. 🙂 But seriously, I don’t see any reason for you to thank me at all. You and Billy are creating these stories, something I could never do. I just enjoy what you give, and for that, *I* thank *you*.
I got something of an a-ha moment from Understanding Comics when I realized that it was essentially a grammar for comics. We rarely think about grammar when we talk, so it makes sense that you wouldn’t consciously think about it when you draw either.
Yeah, I think “Understanding Comics” may be more of a way to enhance appreciation for the art instead of being a straight How To book. Eisner’s “Comics and Sequential Art” is a better How To.
Although UC did change my own philosophies about comics
Oh, one more thing. Puck may historically be the one character who was aware of the audience. This Puck, however, is apparently aware of the author. That’s new, isn’t it? 🙂
I’d like to say “yes” but modesty forbids. Cartoonists have a long history of characters being aware of their creators. Going all the way back to Krazy Kat. I remember seeing a strip where Officer Pup is looking up at the artist George Harriman because the strip had not been finished. Officer Pup says, “Well, go on, finish it!” Then says something about “lazy cartoonists.”